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PostReported Problems in Troncones, Guerrero

OK, expats living in the beach areas of Michoacan and Guerrero as far as Zihuatanejo, Dawg does not like to spread rumors but this morning I was routinely reading the Google News section on Mexico violence when I came upon an article in a surfer´s electronic newsletter (Surfline for April 2nd) reporting that the author of the article reprinted on Google had just returned from a trip to Playa Troncones and had been alarmed at the reports of violence he had heard while there from locals and American residents perpetrated, according to him, by thugs and organized crime against local residents and consisting of a couple of very serious sounding assaults, kidnappings and robberies in the Troncones area including Los Llanos and Petacalco. He also expressed alarm at the sight of cops patrolling the beach areas in flak jackets in trucks mounted with automatic weapons. He reported that crime against residents in this formerly peaceful area had many residents afraid to venture out at night.

I took special interest in this news report as we have been intending to stop off for a couple of days in Troncones on our way up the coast from Huatulco returning to Lake Chapala from Chiapas and I remembered from a past visit that the beach road there can be pretty isolated in places ´perhaps making that area susceptable to criminal activities by thugs and gangsters. I also remembered from that visit being personally alarmed as we drove from Troncones back toward Lake Chapala and seeing convoys of heavily armed federales with truck mounted automatic weapons who passed us and later were stopped at the toll gate where Autopista 37 commences near the Guerrero-Michoacan line and donning bulletproof vests before proceeding up that route in convoy. I sort of ignored these discomforting thoughts but the lonely highway and beach roads and the heavily armed federal convoy seemed to perhaps add some credence to this reporters assertions and his statement that he would not return to the area. Add to those concerns the fact that on our last visit during the height of the 2011 winter season, Troncones hotels seemed almost totally deserted instead of practically sold out as we had expected when we planned the trip and we feel there may be cause for concern.

Driving up the coast road and staying in an isolated hotel on Troncones beach is an option easily deferred but before we do that, I was wondering if some of you forum participants living in that area or inland in Michoacan have heard of an escalation in criminal activity in the more isolated beach areas between Zihuatanejo and the Highway 37 route inland towrd Uruápan or if, perhaps, this reporter´s alarmist article should be taken with a grain of salt. If so, your imnput would be appreciated.
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Re: Reported Problems in Troncones, Guerrero
Post on Tue 05 Apr 2011, 13:42 by Peter
This is probably the "news" report you speak of:

http://www.surfline.com/surf-news/press-release/violence-in-mexico-dan-vaughn-recounts-stories-from-troncones_53896/
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My friend and I just got back from the Troncones area of mainland Mexico. We personally know two local people who told us their story about being kidnapped in Troncones by the "Cartel". They were beaten and blindfolded for days until the bad guys figured out these were just everyday people living in Troncones not working for a rival drug gang. The day before we got there an American living in the area known by gringo's as "The Ranch" was pulled over by thugs in two separate vehicles looking to rob him, when he didn't have any money on him, they beat him up, dumped him off by Los Llanos (Saladita), stole his truck and surfboards. A couple months ago there was a shoot out in Petacalco between rival drug gangs killing inncoent bystanders.


That's from Surfwire which I'm sure is a major respectable mainstream media report. We all know about events happening in Acapulco for some time now but I could not say if that is a spill-over from there. The shootout a couple months ago in Petacalco, a beach town just on the Guerrero side of the river from Lázaro Cárdenas, may have escaped notice with the violence that has been going on in Mexico since 2006. Some major incidents just are not big news these days. The timeframe for that event in Petacalco seems to be in the same timeframe as one we heard about in La Mira near Playa Azul on the Michoacán coast.

Overall yes, I'd say caution is needed wherever you travel. Frankly though, I have not heard anything new or particularly disturbing cioming from around there. The photo included in the Surfwire report was merely a police pickup with an armed gunman in back, not a particularly unusual sighting. Stuff happens but that report is not talking about any specific incidents that occurred beyond the time you were in that are or ourselves who visited Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo in December. Our trip was uneventful, but that's not to say that nothing could have happened.

Right now there is a push around Morelia checking all "suspicious" vehicles and extra vigilance going on. Tickets just went on-sale for the World Cup events that will have their opening ceremony in Morelia and the site for several games in the series.

http://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/news/newsid=1409342/
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“Ticket sales will be carried out in two stages. First will be groups and series of tickets, which we will get underway on Wednesday 30 March starting with Morelia, where the opening ceremony will be held,” continued De Luisa. “The rest, on sale as of 8 April, will be sold in different ways. Between 18 and 23 May there’ll be a special sale of individual tickets exclusively for VISA members, with these tickets going on sale to the general public from 24 May.”

After confirming that there will be a total of 1.2 million seats available, De Luisa made a point of emphasizing the diverse nature of the available sales channels. “We’re trying to make it easy to buy tickets. That’s why tickets will be available for purchase by phone and by internet via the FIFA webpage, and also via the Trophy Tour, which will stop in Morelia this weekend (2-3 April) and where tickets will be available for purchase. Tickets will also be available from stadium ticket offices. Group sales can be made at the local branches of the Local Organising Committee.”

Finally, in a fitting way of drawing the ceremony to a close, Vantolra and the officials present carried out the symbolic first purchase of a ticket for the FIFA U-17 World Cup Mexico 2011.


I really ought to do that story under the Events forum here as well. The World Cup reports I have heard very little discussion about in local gringo news. If this is new to you just remember you heard it here first on AMIGO.
Re: Reported Problems in Troncones, Guerrero
Post on Tue 05 Apr 2011, 15:34 by Hound Dog
[quote="Peter"]This is probably the "news" report you speak of:

http://www.surfline.com/surf-news/press-release/violence-in-mexico-dan-vaughn-recounts-stories-from-troncones_53896/
Quote:
My friend and I just got back from the Troncones area of mainland Mexico. We personally know two local people who told us their story about being kidnapped in Troncones by the "Cartel". They were beaten and blindfolded for days until the bad guys figured out these were just everyday people living in Troncones not working for a rival drug gang. The day before we got there an American living in the area known by gringo's as "The Ranch" was pulled over by thugs in two separate vehicles looking to rob him, when he didn't have any money on him, they beat him up, dumped him off by Los Llanos (Saladita), stole his truck and surfboards. A couple months ago there was a shoot out in Petacalco between rival drug gangs killing inncoent bystanders.


Overall yes, I'd say caution is needed wherever you travel. Frankly though, I have not heard anything new or particularly disturbing cioming from around there. The photo included in the Surfwire report was merely a police pickup with an armed gunman in back, not a particularly unusual sighting.....(Emphasis mine) )


That is, indeed the report, Peter, and thanks for the response although your comments left me feeling somewhat ambivalent about the wisdom of spending a couple of days in an isolated beach hotel in those parts. I, as you, have seen many a pickup truck driven by local police forces with armed men in the back all over Mexico and that is not an impressive sight but that convoy of federales with automatic weapons putting on bulletproof vests at the toll plaza on Highway 37 was impressive indeed. I have no idea of whether Surfline is a serious electronic rag but I do know that most crime in Chiapas and Jalisco is greatly underreported by the local press.

Dawg is not all that afraid to travel to places where there is unrest and violence and just got back from Agua Azul here in Chiapas where two indigenous groups have been killing and maiming each other for some time now over concession and land rights and the despised state cops were everywhere determined to keep the peace. Those indigenous groups are not, however, targeting foreign tourists and residents as implied in the Surfline article. Maybe we´ll just head over to Puerto Arista on the lonely and desolate Chiapas coast to run the dogs on the beach which reminds me of a story:

This manservant of a wealthy Baghdad merchant approached him one day trembling with great fear and implored the merchant to allow him a week off to journey to Samarra. The merchant was puzzled by this unusual request and asked the manservant the reason for his urgent plea. The manservant replied that that morning he had been at the souk when he had spied Satan leering at him and he was certain that if he did not leave Baghdad immediately, Satan would smite him dead. The merchant reluctantly allowed the manservant to immediately leave for Samarra and later that day went to the souk himself where he also spotted Satan who he approached and chastised wanting to know why he had so frightened his manservant. Satan seemed taken aback and replied to the merchant; "I regret frightening your manservant so and that was not my intention. If I seemed startled when I saw him in the souk, it was because I was so surprised to see him in Baghdad since I have an appointment with him tomorrow in Samarra."

From APPOINTMENT IN SAMARRA
John O´Hara (1934)
Re: Reported Problems in Troncones, Guerrero
Post on Thu 07 Apr 2011, 05:45 by Don Cuevas
I guess a lot depends on one's tolerance for heat and like/dislike of beach areas, but when we were at Troncones in February 2007, it was hotter then the hinges of Hades from about 10 a.m to about 5 p.m. I wonder what it would be like during Spring, one of the hottest times of year. We pretty much stayed indoors or under the palapa during those hours. Of course, I have to say that our room was cooled with a floor fan, not with AC.

I didn't like Troncones because there was not enough there for me to do. But, we all have different preferences.

 

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